Episode 54
Rediscovering Identity Beyond the Mask with Catherine Sutherland
In this powerful episode, I'm joined by Catherine Sutherland—aka Kat—the iconic Pink Power Ranger, for a conversation that moves beyond her pop culture legacy.
Kat opens up about turning 50, entering a new chapter as an empty nester, and how digital detoxing, fasting, and reconnecting with her faith helped her rediscover purpose and peace.
Together, we explore how to reset unhealthy habits, stay present in a noisy world, and embrace the small daily choices that lead to lasting impact.
Episode Highlights:
- Instant gratification from technology affects our relationships.
- Digital detox can help improve focus and connection with loved ones.
- Fasting can lead to mental clarity and physical health benefits.
- It's important to be present and actively listen to others.
- Small steps can lead to significant changes in habits.
- Mindfulness in technology use can reduce feelings of anxiety.
- Waiting before responding to impulses can lead to better decisions.
- We should prioritize our mental and physical health.
- Recognizing addiction to technology is the first step towards change.
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Australian-born actress Catherine Sutherland is best known for playing Katherine "Kat" Hillard, the Pink Ranger in the legendary hit kids' show, Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. She continued her role for three seasons in Power Rangers Zeo, Power Rangers Turbo, and Power Rangers Turbo: The Movie. With over 100 episodes filmed in the series, Catherine has most certainly made her mark. After Power Rangers, she went on to perform in the film,The Cell starring Jennifer Lopez,and various commercials, video games, and independent projects.
You may recognize her voice on one of your children's toys/games .
Catherine is focusing her creative energy on writing and self-published her first children's book called The Boy with his heart on his sleeve, available on Amazon. She has several other projects in the works.
In 2020, Catherine and her Power Rangers co-star Nakia Burrise began a YouTube channel for their fandom called Power Rangers Playback. They have over 19k followers and have everything from
Episode reviews, live interviews, and skits! They also have. A podcast called Super chat with Cat and Nakia is available on all platforms, where they discuss real-life issues and interview some amazing and inspirational guests.
In 2023 Catherine reprises her role as Kat Hillard, starring in the 30th anniversary special Power Rangers Once and Always which was in the top 10 Most watched on Netflix.
Catherine is focusing her creative energy on writing and self published her first children's book called The Boy with his heart on his sleeve, available on Amazon.
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Transcript
Welcome to the One Big Thing podcast, where inspiration meets transformation.
Speaker A:I'm your host, Steve Campbell, and I'm excited to have you join me today.
Speaker A:I welcome guests from all walks of life to the show.
Speaker A:We're going to spend about 30 minutes getting into their story and sharing the One Big Thing that they want to share with all of you that that can help you move the ball forward in your life.
Speaker A:So thank you for being my guest on the One Big Thing and enjoy this episode.
Speaker A:Well, welcome back to the One Big Thing podcast.
Speaker A:I'm your host, Steve Campbell.
Speaker A:Got a connection of a previous guest today.
Speaker A:I have Katherine Sutherland on with me.
Speaker A:You can call her Cat.
Speaker A:Some of you may know the name.
Speaker A:So I don't want to steal some thunder here at the beginning as to, you know, maybe her, where her roots are from, but I was pleasantly surprised when my friend Laura Osnes referred me to Kat and said, this is an amazing that.
Speaker A:I think you should take the time to let her tell her story and the things she's working on.
Speaker A:And so, for those that know Kat, welcome to the One Big Things interview style show.
Speaker A:So we're going to take some time getting into Cat, and she's going to share today the One Big Thing that she wants.
Speaker A:You know, anybody listening, regardless of where you are in life, to inspire you, to encourage you.
Speaker A:So, Cat, welcome to the One Big Thing podcast.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker A:What's a few things you would want a listener who may not know you to kind of set the groundwork for where we're going today?
Speaker B:Hi.
Speaker B:Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker B:Laura is an amazing, amazing person and has been very inspiring in my life.
Speaker B:So when she mentioned this podcast to me, I was like, if it's good for you, it's good for me.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So you were saying the One Big Thing.
Speaker B:I just turned 50 in October, and that is a very transitional time.
Speaker B:It's just a number, but it just definitely felt like I'm entering into this next phase of my life and I just really wanted to do some resetting in some of my habits.
Speaker B:I just sent a child off to college, and I'm kind of entering a different chapter in my career.
Speaker B:So I just wanted to do some resetting and kind of reclaiming of myself.
Speaker B:It's a really interesting thing when you're a mom because you can really easily lose sense of yourself and what's important to you.
Speaker B:And I know a lot of my friends who have older kids had said that to me, but I didn't really.
Speaker B:I didn't really get it until I sent my daughter to college and kind of had to adjust to what that will look like as I go into this empty nesting phase.
Speaker B:And how can I.
Speaker B:How can I really, really reclaim and own who I am as Catherine, not as mom, wife, actress, whatever.
Speaker B:Who am I, really?
Speaker A:So, yeah, I love that.
Speaker A:And, you know, I think that's something that I've learned after doing so many episodes of this show.
Speaker A:There are.
Speaker A:There are things in your future that I think people that have gone ahead of you will want to share the birth of a child.
Speaker A:You'll never understand what it's fully like until you hold a child in your arms, and it's like, yeah, I got it.
Speaker A:Like, I have a sense of it.
Speaker A:And there's just.
Speaker A:There's just several things that as you grow as an adult, that people try to prepare you for the last high school sporting event, you know, graduating, getting married, your wedding day, having kids.
Speaker A:And so I think what you're experiencing now, I can speak from somebody who is in the thick of, you know, four kids under the age of 10.
Speaker A:And so you.
Speaker A:You can easily look forward to the day when they're out of the home because it's.
Speaker A:It'll be quieter, it'll be cleaner, it'll.
Speaker A:It'll be easier to do the things my wife, Stephanie and I want to do.
Speaker A:But if you're not careful, you can rob what I think the Lord is trying to do in this season with us.
Speaker A:And so I think this will be a fun conversation today.
Speaker A:And you said, you know, turning 50, that's.
Speaker A:That's a big watermark.
Speaker A:And I know you've accomplished a lot in your life.
Speaker A:And so I don't know, again, for anybody who doesn't know you, how much you want to share kind of, you know, 50 years worth of work.
Speaker A:And I know you've done, you know, television.
Speaker A:We've talked a little bit at the beginning before we came on about, now you're a published author.
Speaker A:What do people need to know about Katie if they didn't know where in the world that might bring them into who you are?
Speaker B:Well, I'm from Australia.
Speaker B:I always still say Australia is my home, even though I've lived in America now longer than I was there.
Speaker B:I was a very creative child.
Speaker B:I don't remember ever not doing something like dancing, acting, singing.
Speaker B:I was always involved in the arts.
Speaker B:And then that's obviously what brought me over to America.
Speaker B:I was cast as the Pink Power Ranger on Mighty Morphin power Rangers from 95 to 97.
Speaker B:And that just completely Turned my world upside down.
Speaker B:I, I moved my whole life alone at 20 years old and into this whole new culture and this, the show was really at its peak when I joined the show.
Speaker B:So it was just a huge life shift and, and yeah, and then when the show ended I, it was really, actually a really scary time for me because I, I was committed to Saban Entertainment who was our, you know, who employed me and I wasn't able to do any other work except for them.
Speaker B:So when the show ended I was really afraid like, am I going to have to go back to Australia?
Speaker B:How am I going to make this work?
Speaker B:And they were very kind and helped me get my green card.
Speaker B:But you know, acting is a very volatile industry and I was really welcomed to how difficult it was in Hollywood.
Speaker B:I had to do a lot of different things to supplement my income because our show was, was non union so we did not make very much money.
Speaker B:So I had to do all kinds of things.
Speaker B:I worked for a very high end catering company.
Speaker B:I, I did, I was a personal trainer, I taught pilates.
Speaker B:I did so many, I worked with children.
Speaker B:I did so many different things between jobs and I think a lot of people don't know that about actors or people in the industry.
Speaker B:They just think, oh, you've made it now, everything's perfect.
Speaker B:And it's, it's not the case.
Speaker B:You really have to, it's a really tough thing and it's, you do it for the love of it.
Speaker B:So I did that for a few years and then decided I just didn't, couldn't do it for, for a while I just had to back away.
Speaker B:And so when I got married I took a step back from the industry and my husband and I made the decision for me to raise the kids.
Speaker B:I really wanted to be a stay at home mom and be as present for my kids as possible.
Speaker B:So while my children were little I did a little modeling and commercial work here and there, a little bit of voiceover work, but I wasn't doing any like really pursuing acting at all.
Speaker B:I took a big step back and I'm so grateful that I got to do that that God allowed us as a family to make that decision because it's really the most important job to raise a good human and send them out into the world.
Speaker B:And I just really wanted to be able to do that for my kids.
Speaker B:So I didn't kind of start getting back into the industry until like maybe my son was maybe five or six.
Speaker B:And yeah, so it was, I took a long, a long break But I did.
Speaker B:I did writing.
Speaker B:I was still being creative in a certain sense, but I just really needed to step away from the industry for a while.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, 90s kids coming home from school, throwing the bag down, what's the first thing you turn on?
Speaker A:You know, Power Rangers.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:You know, second generation, from what I understand.
Speaker A:Pink Power Ranger in such an iconic role.
Speaker A:And, you know, I'm sure there's so much that I could ask you.
Speaker A:And I just.
Speaker A:I always try to make sure when people are known for something that they don't spend another podcast episode talking just about that, because I love.
Speaker A:I love getting into, like, hey, what's the stuff that you don't get to talk about?
Speaker A:And I know you and I talked about this hard reset, but I think part of it is when.
Speaker A:When you have fans, when you have viewers, when you have people that look to the fantasy of television and radio, it's a.
Speaker A:It's an escape for them.
Speaker A:And so the Power Rangers, for so many in their 30s and 40s, were, you know, school was boring.
Speaker A:At least you can come home and watch Tommy, the Green Ranger, turn into the White Ranger.
Speaker A:And that was like, the highest tense drama I had when I was, like, a teenage kid was like, what happen?
Speaker A:And so even for you, it's like, how.
Speaker A:How do you grow past.
Speaker A:Yeah, you got to play the Pink Ranger.
Speaker A:But that's.
Speaker A:That's not all you are.
Speaker A:Right, but I know you do a lot with.
Speaker A:I don't want to call it Comic Con, but, like, the idea that people still want you to almost, like, wear the Pink Ranger outfit and yell It's Morphin Time.
Speaker A:And it's like, yeah, but I'm also cats, so like, even the balance of being a mom was there.
Speaker A:Was there a certain age with your kids when you spilled the beans and was like, you know, mom.
Speaker A:I mean, my mom was a middle class.
Speaker A:She cooked a lot.
Speaker A:She did some advertisements in the paper, but my mom never came to me.
Speaker A:I was like, just so you know, I did play this incredible figure on television.
Speaker A:Like, at what age did you bring your kids into what was such a major part of your life?
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't remember, like, the actually having a conversation with them, but I just remember my daughter being in kindergarten, and she told some moms that were helping with, like, Halloween, they were doing, like, a Halloween project.
Speaker B:And she told the mums, my mommy's the Pink Power Ranger.
Speaker B:And they were like, oh, she's gonna be the Pink Power Ranger for Halloween.
Speaker B:And she's like, no, she's actually the Pink Ranger.
Speaker B:And they were like, okay, sweetie.
Speaker B:So she kind of.
Speaker B:Both my kids, a lot of their friends and everything knew about me being on the show, but it wasn't something I really talked a lot about.
Speaker B: It wasn't until, like,: Speaker B:I was like, what is a Comic Con?
Speaker B:And this guy was like, well, you know, people come and meet you and you sign things, and I'm like, what?
Speaker B:For what?
Speaker B:Like, what project?
Speaker B:And they go, oh, for Power Rangers.
Speaker B:And I go, that show's still on.
Speaker B:I had no idea I was so detached from the show at that point.
Speaker B:And so I remember going for my first time and just there was so many people there and being so overwhelmed that after all this time, people still even knew who I was.
Speaker B:And that was kind of my first indication of, like, oh, this show means so much to people.
Speaker B:So, you know, you said earlier that, you know, you don't want to, you know, I talk about a lot.
Speaker B:Yes, I do, but I'm very grateful to be a part of the franchise and to be able to bring joy to people.
Speaker B:So I'm always happy to talk about it.
Speaker B:And, you know, it's.
Speaker B:It's something that's kind of come full circle back into my life.
Speaker B:I would never have thought after 30 years that I would still be talking about Power Rangers.
Speaker B:It just, for whatever, just really impacted people.
Speaker B:And it's funny because it was just like a cheesy little kids show.
Speaker B:But I hear all the time when I meet fans, they say, like, you were my childhood.
Speaker B:That's what I hear.
Speaker B:Like, it's like, it brings people to tears.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know what it is about it, but it's kind of like Star wars or Star Trek.
Speaker B:There's these certain things that just mean so much to people because it represented something to them in their childhood.
Speaker A:And I think the premise of Power Rangers, right, if you're in school watching a show where it's based on, you know, teenagers or high school kids, and then they also happen to fight with these powers, you're able to escape.
Speaker A:You know, the fact that if you were bullied as a kid, you know, at least you could watch a television and show and feel like when the music came on and you guys morphed and became things, it was like, it's.
Speaker A:It's sci fi in a way that allows you to transcend kind of your moment.
Speaker A:And it's crazy that that, like, sticks with you for that long and.
Speaker A:And even now, you know, with my four kids, it's like, you know, trying to show them shows I grew up with.
Speaker A:And it's changed so much with cinematography and Netflix and shows that my kids watch, and they're so spoiled with streaming today where, you know, as a kid, you waited for those afternoon shows to come.
Speaker A:Yeah, big Power Rangers Saved by the Bell guy.
Speaker A:And now I'm seeing Mark Paul Gosler talk about he didn't enjoy playing Zach Morris.
Speaker A:And I'm like, wow, iconic figure in my life.
Speaker A:What do you mean?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know if I can handle all of this right now in my late 30s.
Speaker A:But, you know, with you, I was kind of hoping you were going to say, like, you're one of your kids, stumbled upon your closet and just found the pink.
Speaker A:What's going on?
Speaker B:No, nothing that exciting.
Speaker B:Nothing that exciting.
Speaker A:Did you get into Within Acting?
Speaker A:Like, was there ever, like, an action figure of you?
Speaker A:Was that.
Speaker B:Oh, tons.
Speaker B:There's tons.
Speaker A:That crazy.
Speaker A:Coming from Australia, coming to the States, getting into acting, and then, you know, you're walking around Toys R Us or, you know, a store and seeing yourself in an action figure.
Speaker A:Like, do they.
Speaker A:Like, what does it even like to know that you're going to have an action figure made from you?
Speaker A:Well, measurements.
Speaker A:Because sometimes they don't look.
Speaker B:They do.
Speaker B:Oh, they don't look anything like us.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But no, the toys were a huge part of the show, obviously.
Speaker B:I feel like we were like a commercial for the toys.
Speaker B:Really.
Speaker B:They did measure our face, and it was very.
Speaker B:Like, we went through photos and different angles of our face.
Speaker B:And then I saw my toy and I was like, that is Tommy with pasty white skin and white hair.
Speaker B:They used the same model, it felt like, for all of us.
Speaker B:And they were, like, big, bulky.
Speaker B:Like, they did not look feminine at all.
Speaker B:But still, it's so cool to be a toy.
Speaker B:Like, that's.
Speaker B:That's really cool seeing your, you know, seeing your kids playing with your.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:It's kind of crazy.
Speaker B:But now, all these years later, Hasbro now owns Power Rangers.
Speaker B:So they have made these beautiful lightning figures.
Speaker B:And there's a lot of toy makers, like Super 7 and what's that other one, 3Zero.
Speaker B:They make collectible toys.
Speaker B:So now they're, like, beautiful.
Speaker B:They look like us.
Speaker B:They're beautifully made.
Speaker B:And collectors, you know, come and have us sign them all the time.
Speaker B:And so I get to see, like, really, like, ones that look much more like me.
Speaker A:So in your world, right, you have fans that appreciate you even after all these years?
Speaker A:Do you ever find yourself as you connect with fans, trying to also help them to connect with cats?
Speaker A:Right, because they're.
Speaker A:They're clearly connecting with the Pink Ranger, and that's who you portrayed.
Speaker A:But you just said that you've also been working on resetting and not reinventing, but resetting, and you've done personal fitness and catering.
Speaker A:Is there ever time at these Comic Cons or as you meet with people where you can speak life to them beyond being a character to them, but, like, you're a real person?
Speaker A:And what.
Speaker A:What is the depth of those relationships when you can take somebody.
Speaker A:I'm not saying from being a fan to being a friend, but.
Speaker A:But you're no longer necessarily this role.
Speaker A:You're just somebody giving back who got an opportunity to play a role.
Speaker A:So what is that like connecting with people, in trying to build more meaningful connections with the things that you're working on today?
Speaker B:That's a really great question.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I actually look for opportunities all the time.
Speaker B:I always pray before I go to a convention to be used by God, that he would.
Speaker B:To bring light to people, that I will have a conversation that he wants me to have.
Speaker B:I'm always looking for opportunities like that.
Speaker B:So I feel like it goes very much beyond Power Rangers for me, because I feel like I have meaningful conversations all the time.
Speaker B:I've had people tell me that, you know, prayed over people that are dying of cancer, and I've had, you know, parents bringing their child that's, you know, severely disabled and.
Speaker B:And been able to speak into that family.
Speaker B:I feel like every.
Speaker B:Every time I'm at a convention, there's.
Speaker B:There's another person that brings me to tears or that.
Speaker B:That I'm able to, like, to speak into.
Speaker B:I feel like that's.
Speaker B:That's what it's all about.
Speaker B:Like, acting's fun, but it's really about the impact you're making on people.
Speaker B:That's what.
Speaker B:What, what matters.
Speaker A:You just nailed it.
Speaker A:That as you.
Speaker A:As you grow, as you experience life, and then you experience life through the eyes of being a mom or dad, and.
Speaker A:And there's a.
Speaker A:There's a sweetness, I think, with the Lord that he takes us all on, that he allows us to experience what we assume we want, many times God will give you those things, and there's an emptiness or a lack of fulfillment that you got to play one of the most iconic characters in television history.
Speaker A:And yet, you know, that praying with a child or praying over someone with cancer has much More significant meaning.
Speaker A:And so whether you are an actor, an actress and singing, or you're a nurse or a teacher, it's about making an impact.
Speaker A:And I think that the sooner in my life that I can understand that and what is this platform for what?
Speaker A:Why am I interacting with these people?
Speaker A:You know, I think the balance is, is trying, at least in my life never to run ahead of the Lord and just manufacture God, but just being patient and obedient.
Speaker A:And there's been random times in my life in coffee shops and in different things where I just have this sense of like, go pay for that coffee, go talk to that person.
Speaker A:And the next thing you know, you have a meaningful connection.
Speaker A:So I don't want to steal the thunder from what you started to get into at the beginning that you Talked about at 50, resetting.
Speaker A:What now that we know obviously your background and what you're going through, what, how do we get to where we are today?
Speaker A:What are some of the things that you're working on?
Speaker A:You told me kind of right before we came on and I think it's super powerful and could help a lot of people.
Speaker A:So why don't you start to walk us through kind of your assessment of what needed to be reset in your life?
Speaker B:Well, the first thing I, I mean when my daughter left to go to college, I felt over, really overwhelmed by just this.
Speaker B:There was this empty space in my house and I was like avoiding walking past her room and all this stuff and I'm like, what is going on with me?
Speaker B:And I, I was like a little bit of an existential cris on.
Speaker B:Like I was like, okay, I'm, I'm a mom and that's very important.
Speaker B:And, and I've done a good job and I've sent her off into the world, but why am I feeling so like, I feel, felt confused about who am I and where am I going and what's the next steps of my life and, and what, what, what I'm doing matter and what's my purpose?
Speaker B:And all these kind of questions kept coming up in my mind and I was having like, I would wake up at like three in the morning and that seems to be when God talks to me the most actually.
Speaker B:But I would wake up with like a lot of fear and a lot of anxiety, which is not something I usually struggle with.
Speaker B:I'm, I'm, I, I was like just this rate, these racing thoughts of like all these, these fears and I'm like, what is going on with me?
Speaker B:So I, I thought maybe it was hormonal to be honest with you.
Speaker B:I was like, maybe I'm going through some kind of hormonal shift.
Speaker B:And I started reading about, you know, menopause and it was saying, you know, you have sometimes women that happens to women, they have, they, their sleep is interrupted over.
Speaker B:I'm like, okay, well maybe it's that.
Speaker B:So I went to my doctor and we did all this blood tests and my doctor was like, no, your hormones are actually really good.
Speaker B:Like you're doing good.
Speaker B:Like, but maybe we need to like look at some other things that are going on.
Speaker B:I have Hashimoto's disease, which is a thyroid condition.
Speaker B:So I, there's some things that happen in my body that I have to be checked constantly to make sure everything's running smoothly.
Speaker B:So we did that and there wasn't really anything coming up that was concerning.
Speaker B:So at the same time my pastor was talking about doing every year he does leading into Easter, we do a digital detox.
Speaker B:And so I had done it last year and felt like it was really good and I'm like, okay, I'm going to take it to a different level this year.
Speaker B:I'm really going to dive in.
Speaker B:This is the book he's Digital Digital Fast by Darren Whitehead.
Speaker B:He's an Aussie like me.
Speaker B:So he has had a workbook that went a lot went along with it and I was like, okay, obviously I still need to be on social media to a certain degree, but I really want to put the phone back in its place.
Speaker B:Like, technology is a wonderful tool, but it's not something that should dictate your life and rob you of your peace and your, and being healthy and making, you know, being able to connect with people and be present with people.
Speaker B:So I did started doing this workbook.
Speaker B:It was a 30 day detox but it really allowed me to see a lot of things and my behavior and a lot of my dependence on my phone that were really unhealthy habits.
Speaker B:Like for example, I don't think I'm alone in this, but I would wake up in the morning and get my coffee and the first thing I would do was pick up my phone and look at my messages and look at my emails and like puts you into an immediate state of stress because you're like, my day has been again, like, it's just not a good way for your body to wake up and, and you're having caffeine and it's like everything's very overstimulating.
Speaker B:And so the first thing I did was I was like, okay, I'M going to start.
Speaker B:The first two hours of my day are for God.
Speaker B:I am not going on my phone.
Speaker B:I'm not going to look at my messages, I'm not going to look at the weather, I'm not going to look at emails.
Speaker B:I am going to spend time with the Lord because that is what brings me peace.
Speaker B:So I started doing that every morning I would do my Bible study and instead of, I was also noticing in my prayer life a lot of like pouring out to God, like complaining or asking for things.
Speaker B:I'm like, what would it look like if I just sat and didn't speak and just sat in God's presence?
Speaker B:And so I started doing that and I just noticed some things in my behavior.
Speaker B:Like I would be praying but I would be distracted by my phone.
Speaker B:I'd want to go and pick up my phone and it took about, I would say like 12 days for me to stop feeling that distraction of like recognizing that it was there and not wanting to pick it up.
Speaker B:So that was the first thing I did.
Speaker B:And then as it went on I was like, okay, maybe now I'm not going to take my phone when I walk my dog.
Speaker B:So I'm going to look around me and look at the trees and the flowers and like listen to the sounds around me.
Speaker B:And then I from that I was like, I'm not going to check my emails on my phone.
Speaker B:I'm going to check my emails on my computer.
Speaker B:So I stopped looking at my phone for emails.
Speaker B:So it was just like kind of a gradual peeling back and recognizing how dependent I had become on my phone.
Speaker B:I think we all struggle with that.
Speaker B:So social media as well as like I'm going to schedule my posts for, you know, I obviously if I'm at a, going to a convention or you know, my, my friend Nikki and I have a YouTube channel.
Speaker B:There's things that I do have to be on social media for.
Speaker B:But what if I just did that all on one day?
Speaker B:So I schedule everything and I'm not having to go on and get sucked into the vortex and start doom scrolling and then get stressed out because I'm just overloaded with so much information.
Speaker B:So that really helped me as well.
Speaker B:So I just feel like I started to sleep better.
Speaker B:I started to notice that I didn't have anxiety.
Speaker B:I was much more present and listening when my people would talk to me.
Speaker B:I was actually like engaged and listening to what they had to say instead of being distracted by a text and a notification on your phone.
Speaker B:And to stop picking up my phone and looking at it for nothing.
Speaker B:What are we looking for?
Speaker B:So I was like just.
Speaker B:It just really was very eye opening in my own behavior.
Speaker B:And it's just like when you buy a new car and you see that car everywhere.
Speaker B:I started to see everywhere how many people are attached to their phone.
Speaker B:And as soon as we sit down and we don't have something to do, we don't know how to be bored, we don't know how to just sit anymore, we feel like we constantly have to be stimulated.
Speaker B:And instant gratification has become such a problem for us because we don't know how to just wait for things.
Speaker B:Like you were saying you had to wait for that episode of Power Rangers.
Speaker B:Everything is just instant.
Speaker B:You can have everything right away and it's not healthy.
Speaker B:And we're not meant to know this much information.
Speaker B:I'm a really sensitive person.
Speaker B:I don't need to know everything.
Speaker B:I was feeling so overwhelmed at times about where do I, what do I pray for?
Speaker B:Because there's so much in going on.
Speaker B:Back before we had the Internet, you knew about your community and maybe some world news, but it wasn't this inundation of opinions everywhere around you.
Speaker B:And it's very overwhelming and it's very destructive.
Speaker B:And I think it's a huge become a huge problem in our world that we've now got so much opinion that we don't know how to filter it out anymore.
Speaker B:And we don't know what our opinion is because we're constantly being told everything.
Speaker B:So just putting, for me, putting my phone back in its place was very, very helpful for my own peace and my own sanity.
Speaker B:And so now I'm hoping that I can continue those habits and I don't fall back into bad habits again.
Speaker B:So that was, that was the first.
Speaker A:Thing that's super helpful and I think that's a challenge for so many of us.
Speaker A:Yeah, phones become a crutch.
Speaker A:And you know, with, with my young kids, it's like, guys, you got to learn to be bored.
Speaker A:As I'm like on my phone scrolling and it's, it's like a double standard.
Speaker A:And I think, you know, it's, it's challenging today because even the other day I was trying to find some good news stories to share and it was just, they were hard to find.
Speaker A:I mean, I did multiple different searches in Facebook for positive news and every story was just death, destruction, murder, violence, like one after another.
Speaker A:And I was like, okay, it's a little heavy.
Speaker A:And you know, you go on and you want to be an Informed citizen.
Speaker A:You want to know how to be an informed person so you can be, you know, aware of what is happening.
Speaker A:But like you said, it is too much sometimes that we just.
Speaker A:I think what happens then is that the gratification spills over into other parts of our life where we want, because social media is instant and streaming is instant.
Speaker A:We want marriage to be instant.
Speaker A:We want our children to leave instantly.
Speaker A:We want our career to take off.
Speaker A:We want to make money instantly.
Speaker A:And then when those things don't happen, if.
Speaker A:If we're not.
Speaker A:If we're not careful, then the voice of, you know, the enemy becomes so loud in your head of you're a failure or you're lost or you're anxious, and so you feel like, in a way, your phone becomes this drug that you're addicted to that no one wants to admit, and you don't even realize it.
Speaker A:But like you said, if the first thing that you do that I do, and I'm guilty of this is when I don't know what to do.
Speaker A:I pick up that small technical instrument in my hand and scroll other people's stories, other people's life.
Speaker A:What is happening then?
Speaker A:I can't be giving my wife my full attention.
Speaker A:I can't be listening to my kids.
Speaker A:And it's hard.
Speaker A:I mean, when your kids are young, they're formulating language, they're telling you stories, and you're not truthfully always interested in what they're saying.
Speaker A:And it's just so easy to, as they're talking, just stare at your phone and be like, yep, yep, important to them.
Speaker A:And, you know, I have a very sensitive spirit that a lot of people can tell me what I'm doing wrong, but 80% of the time I already know it.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And it's just, what do I do with that?
Speaker A:So I love the digital detox because I think it's even hard.
Speaker A:I've even made TikTok videos and stuff, kind of saying the same thing, like, guys, we got to get off our phones.
Speaker A:And it's like, where are people watching that on their phone?
Speaker A:So it's kind of like, this is ridiculous.
Speaker B:No, and it's.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker B:It's not all bad.
Speaker B:Like, there's.
Speaker B:There's some beautiful things that have come out of phones and technology.
Speaker B:You know, like, people tick tock is.
Speaker B:Can be really fun.
Speaker B:And I just think it's putting it in its place.
Speaker B:Like, for example, you know, if I want to look at a cute dog video, whatever, you get the algorithm then locks you in and Then you get sucked in.
Speaker B:And the problem is, I'm reading a book called Dopamine Nation, and she talks a lot about this, is that you feed the addiction.
Speaker B:And you never reach that first time that you saw that thing or you tasted that thing or you felt that thing.
Speaker B:It's like there's a.
Speaker B:I think it's called chasing the dragon or something.
Speaker B:You're constantly chasing that feeling, but you never reach it.
Speaker B:And that's how these phones are designed.
Speaker B:There.
Speaker B:It's almost like a poker machine where you're like pulling the thing and you.
Speaker B:You think you're going to win.
Speaker B:You think you're going to.
Speaker B:And it keeps people gambling because they.
Speaker B:They think they're going to get that.
Speaker B:That thousand dollars again, and they never get it.
Speaker B:So but it's, It's.
Speaker B:That's what the phone.
Speaker B:Like, it's even designed to the scroll like you're scrolling and it's this dopamine.
Speaker B:Like, our brains are now not producing the dopamine hit anymore because it's so.
Speaker B:We're so overloaded all the time with dopamine because we just want everything instantly.
Speaker B:And there's something beautiful about waiting for something.
Speaker B:Like my mom and dad used to at Christmas time, they do layaway, and I had to wait for that bike or wait for that pair of shoes or whatever that thing that I really wanted, and we'd make payments on it.
Speaker B:It was exciting.
Speaker B:We don't do that anymore because we have credit card debt and people, you know, getting over their heads because they want to buy that bike and they can't afford it, you know, so it's such a shame.
Speaker A:I think it's challenging, too, because you live in a world where you are the main consumer and driver of what you want to see.
Speaker A:And when I used to indulge in 90s television, you had to watch commercial breaks.
Speaker A:You couldn't sing it.
Speaker A:And so you'd watch eight minutes of a show and then three minutes of commercials and then eight minutes on a show.
Speaker A:And those commercial breaks is where you went.
Speaker A:And you unplugged for a second.
Speaker A:You ran to the bathroom, you grabbed.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And now it's just like you're watching a YouTube video, you're watching this podcast, and an ad pops up.
Speaker A:If you wait five seconds, you hit skip and you're right back to the material.
Speaker A:When you're on your phone watching a reel, you turn a reel on.
Speaker A:If you don't like it, you swipe.
Speaker A:You swipe.
Speaker A:Now you like this one.
Speaker A:And now the Internet is figuring Out.
Speaker A:Catherine likes to watch these type of videos when you don't realize what you're doing is saying, don't show me this, show me that in what that's doing to your brain and how that flows over then into, why are my wife and I not connecting?
Speaker A:And it's because on Facebook I can reject what I don't like when I sit with my wife and she says, Steve, when you say this to me, this hurts me.
Speaker A:And I now can't just swipe that away and go, don't show me that.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:I have to deal with the reality of I'm letting you down or, or at work, I'm letting you down.
Speaker A:And so technology does have a blessing that when you're lost.
Speaker A:Yeah, Siri, how do I get home?
Speaker A:And it shows you how to get home.
Speaker A:But the loss that you can also be is being sucked into something.
Speaker A:And so you, you've talked a little bit about, you know, the social detox.
Speaker A:You've talked a little bit about dopamine.
Speaker A:You know, in the time that we, you know, have Left here, the 10ish minutes or so, is there anything else that you would say?
Speaker A:This is really important that I want anybody listening to make sure that they're paying attention to.
Speaker B:I, I just, I just really think it's important to connect, to take the moments to connect with each other.
Speaker B:And there's such power in that of actually listening, actively listening to somebody and, and not like when you're, when you're with people, be with them, that's, that's like, be present with them.
Speaker B:That's, it's so valuable and it's so important and we've gotten so, I mean, I was even thinking the other day about how it's so easy to leave a voice text for somebody.
Speaker B:Now we have audio text where you can leave an 8 minute message for somebody and never have to talk to them.
Speaker B:And it's, it's sad, like, why are we not picking up the phone and talking to each other anymore?
Speaker B:Or like being spontaneous and saying, hey, can I stop over and have a cup of coffee and let's chat?
Speaker B:Like there's a lot less of that happening because people are so, like, you were just saying, it's, it's so easy to swipe away something and push it away and have this pretend life, you know?
Speaker B:So I just, I just, it's been very, in my own life, I think, really convicting for me to see how I was totally victim, praying like I had an addiction to my phone.
Speaker B:If I'm really honest.
Speaker B:I think it's just very easy to do that.
Speaker B:And then I also, I decided to do a water fast just because I really wanted to like carry on this, this detox system going through like spiritual mind, body, spiritual.
Speaker B:So I'm doing, I'm on my, I've been.
Speaker B:How long has it been?
Speaker B:50 hours now without food?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Really understand.
Speaker A:I'm a big believer in intermittent fasting and I think I had implemented fasting for the health benefits.
Speaker A:And it wasn't until recently that I really started praying and saying I also want it to be a spiritual fast.
Speaker A:And so, you know, I, I think, I think I've gone as long as 48, pretty close to 50.
Speaker A:I, I have a friend that just completed 120.
Speaker A:120 hours.
Speaker A:Like that's a lot.
Speaker A:And so why don't you just for nobody, you know, for somebody who's never heard about fasting, like what are we talking about?
Speaker A:Why don't you talk to us about like, why fasting?
Speaker A:Maybe some of the pros, the cons.
Speaker A:And then if you have somebody say, okay, I'll give this a shot.
Speaker A:How do you work through some of the initial bumps and hurdles of just hunger and, and giving up?
Speaker A:You know, for somebody who says I've tried that, I couldn't do it.
Speaker A:What is fasting, you know, done for you and why would you encourage somebody who's never considered it to give it a try?
Speaker B:Yeah, I've done a three day juice fast before, but I've never done a water fast.
Speaker B:So with a water fast it always really scared me.
Speaker B:So it's really important when you enter into it that your mind is prepared, that you make sure that you are not over scheduled or it's very important to make sure that your life is going to be able to handle the demands of it.
Speaker B:Because if you go into it with any kind of anxiety then you should stop because that defeats the whole purpose.
Speaker B:So my doctor and I talked about it.
Speaker B:She does it a couple of times a year and she says three days is like the golden number.
Speaker B:So the purpose is it helps with insulin resistance.
Speaker B:So we eat way too many carbohydrates and processed foods and our bodies overproduce insulin and it can, it causes a lot of metabolic issues.
Speaker B:So that's the first one.
Speaker B:It helps with clarity in your brain.
Speaker B:It creates auto, autophagy, which is a process of cellular regeneration.
Speaker B:So a lot of doctors are actually using it with cancer patients now and seeing huge benefits because the bad cells are eaten up by the good cells, your body just kind of has this whole reset and turnover and it has to be three days to get to that because it's.
Speaker B:Your body has to get into ketosis, which is where it starts to burn fat and use fat in the right way.
Speaker B:So she was kind of saying to me, it's almost like a resetting of the metabolic function and the gut.
Speaker B:So your gut is like your second brain and it helps your gut rest because we're always chewing and eating and producing acids to break foods down and it gives your system a break.
Speaker B:And I was thinking in the Bible, fasting was a very much a part of their life.
Speaker B:Like they did this all the time.
Speaker B:And I think we're designed to be a little bit uncomfortable, but we live in a culture now that's all about comfort.
Speaker B:Everything's instant.
Speaker B:So I really loved the idea of kind of making my body work a little harder and getting a little bit uncomfortable.
Speaker B:I haven't felt, I personally haven't felt hungry because I have a, A, a powder that is full of minerals, like a electrolyte powder that I add to the water.
Speaker B:It's no calories or anything, but it, I feel like it really helps my, my cells absorb the hydration.
Speaker B:So I think when you start to feel hungry, that's a lot of the time is because you dehydrated.
Speaker B:So that, and then I have herbal tea and I've actually, it hasn't been as hard as I thought it was going to be.
Speaker B:So I, I've been making sure that I'm not, not overdoing it with, you know, obviously with exercise.
Speaker B:I'm doing, you know, Pilates or yoga or things that are just a little bit calmer for my system.
Speaker B:But I thought I would feel really lethargic and I don't, I feel really clear.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that's something for me that.
Speaker A:It's funny you're talking about this because I, I started about three and a half weeks ago really trying to implement intermittent fasting because I, I got to a point where the stress of being a dad, you know, food became the crutch and an over consumption of food.
Speaker A:Food and technology, two things we nailed today.
Speaker B:Great, you needed to hear it.
Speaker A:Obviously, I turn to food.
Speaker A:My kids stress me out.
Speaker A:I'm on my phone and those aren't healthy habits.
Speaker A:And if you're somebody who's on screen and doing media, you want to look your best.
Speaker A:And I've, I've done yo yo dieting.
Speaker A:I've gotten to a place I've always Been able because I was a college athlete to get my body to turn the direction I wanted to.
Speaker A:The hardest part was consistency.
Speaker A:And so it's funny you bring this up today because a couple weeks ago I just basically committed it to the Lord and was like kind of enough's enough.
Speaker A:Like I, I gotta get going and I gotta get going in a way that's not like I did okay for a few days and I'm good.
Speaker A:And so I have been implementing on Sundays a full 24 hour fast.
Speaker A:A little bit different for me.
Speaker A:I do water and the only other thing I do is black coffee calories in that.
Speaker A:But I'll do the full, yes, four hours and then when I wake up Monday morning, I've added an additional six hours.
Speaker A:So now I'm at 30.
Speaker A:And what I do then throughout the week is I'll do intermittent fasting in an 186 window.
Speaker A:So you know, I'll eat, you know, from noon to, to six and then I don't eat again until the next day at noon.
Speaker A:And I still train, still wait, lift weights because I was at the gym all the time four days a week and you know, had the, the belly and the gut and all this stuff, not in a bad way, but I was still training.
Speaker A:And so there was an aspect of my life that was still somewhat in shape, but because of the food I was eating, I was never making gains or improvement.
Speaker A:And I just one day was like, what am I doing?
Speaker A:I have the discipline to get to the gym.
Speaker A:I just don't have the disciplines in these other areas when it comes to what I would call addiction to my phone into food and so fast.
Speaker A:I've now talked to people in the hallway about fasting where I work.
Speaker A:I've talked to my buddies about fasting.
Speaker A:We're all doing it together and I've, it's not about weight but I've drawn dropped 12 pounds and I feel bad.
Speaker B:That's amazing.
Speaker B:It's probably a lot of, a lot of inflammation too.
Speaker A:Inflammation, but just focus, you know.
Speaker A:And I think for me it was yeah, intermittent fasting, the health benefits, the Apache feet, the, the stuff he talked about.
Speaker A:But just like Jesus, I want you to have full access to me.
Speaker A:I don't want anything else food to get me in, in.
Speaker A:That's what distract you when you were talking about I can have my Bible in front of me and that phone laying face down and I'm praying and I hear the vibration and you tell yourself, I'm just going to look, just want to make sure nothing's wrong.
Speaker A:And then that look turns into, oh, funny, what's the weather today?
Speaker A:And then you're on your weather.
Speaker A:And then you're like, God, I never hear from you.
Speaker A:And I think what you're talking about today is this is the reality of, of life.
Speaker A:There's a maturation process where you want to make an impact.
Speaker A:But if you are not developing the daily habits and disciplines and they all three things you just said work together.
Speaker A:What I have noticed is that many times I'll start in one direction and because I start to gain governance in that area of my life, the other ones start to fall into place.
Speaker A:And so it's not one pulls the other.
Speaker A:But when you begin to fast, you begin to then become more aware of like, because I have more clarity now because I'm not allowing food to take my life.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:I'm on my phone a lot.
Speaker A:And then the next thing you know.
Speaker A:Yes, your phone down.
Speaker A:And then the next thing you know, you're like, you know what?
Speaker A:I could probably be making my bed every day.
Speaker A:And then you start making your bed every day.
Speaker B:Yes, you're more productive.
Speaker B:You're more productive today.
Speaker A:I probably need to brush my teeth again.
Speaker A:It's like you, when you remove all of the swiping and all of the images and all of the sound, constant.
Speaker A:And then kids coming into your life and waking you up at night, it's very easy to feel like you're stuck in a rut.
Speaker A:And so I think what I want to do is we bring this home, make sure that we have contact information for you.
Speaker A:But I think what's so cool about your stories, you were somebody who was in the limelight for many years for people still iconic to people that come to Comic Con.
Speaker A:But at the end of the day, your cat, your cat trying to figure it out as a mom now as an empty nester.
Speaker A:Lord, what do you have next?
Speaker A:And I think it's very cool to hear that you are somebody who's acknowledged I was addicted to my phone because I think to that person who's listening to you, it's like, cat, you seem so cool, but you don't know it may not be addicted to cocaine or alcohol, but it's like, oh, wow, she's addicted to her phone.
Speaker A:Makes me feel a little bit better.
Speaker A:You know, she was eating the wrong foods.
Speaker A:Okay, that's kind of cool to know too.
Speaker A:And it gives people space to, to join in with you.
Speaker A:So, you know, we've spent about 40 minutes here together.
Speaker A:You know, we've talked about resetting.
Speaker A:Is there anything though in the last minute or two that you want to leave with people?
Speaker A:And obviously we'll put information in the show notes.
Speaker B:Yeah, I just.
Speaker B:I just think if I could just say like, if you just.
Speaker B:Just taking small steps, like, don't.
Speaker B:Don't overwhelm yourself with like.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:This has been a journey over the past year for me.
Speaker B:So don't like, try to do everything at once, but just make like one step.
Speaker B:Like I'm not going to have my phone next to me when I sleep.
Speaker B:Just this.
Speaker B:That you will see a difference, I promise you.
Speaker B:It's quite amazing.
Speaker B:And the other thing I would say is that you don't have to feel this pressure to respond to every impulse that you have or every text that you have.
Speaker B:It's okay to take a minute and wait.
Speaker B:I was noticing that I was so eager.
Speaker B:My people pleasing tendencies.
Speaker B:I was like, I had to respond to people right away because it's rude or I have to respond to every DM that comes in and I get.
Speaker B:I get thousands of messages and I would try to respond to.
Speaker B:It was so much pressure and I couldn't do it.
Speaker B:And then I would feel bad because I couldn't do it.
Speaker B:It's okay to wait and to pause.
Speaker B:And there's so much power in that pause.
Speaker B:If you just wait and like, and just give it a minute before you respond or look at something or whatever, eat that cookie, whatever it is, really think.
Speaker B:Being intentional and thinking about what you're putting in your body and your mind.
Speaker B:And I think when.
Speaker B:When with the fasting, it's like, makes you very aware of like what you're feeling yourself with.
Speaker B:I want to fill myself with things that bring me peace.
Speaker B:I want to so I can pour that out back out to others.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I just.
Speaker A:Really good.
Speaker A:Because for me, I think sometimes I feel like, am I broken in the sense that.
Speaker A:That you know, when you are struggling with an addiction to food or to something, it's crazy how when you're in your car, this voice becomes very loud.
Speaker A:You know, stop at the gas station and get something you shouldn't have.
Speaker A:Go buy that coffee.
Speaker A:You know, go.
Speaker A:Go indulge in the thing.
Speaker B:And it's like the pleasures of the world.
Speaker A:That's not.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:Like, you want me to go touch people's lives.
Speaker A:You're not.
Speaker A:When my kids go to bed telling me like, hey, what's in the pantry?
Speaker A:And I think it's.
Speaker A:For me, it's been learning to recognize what is that voice and where Is it coming from.
Speaker A:And if I will replace that response to something else completely.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm not going to do that.
Speaker A:I'm going to go over here, like, put an action to the other thing, because if you don't, that becomes.
Speaker A:It's like, I don't know if you ever grew up.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:And I said we were closing, but.
Speaker B:I was just thinking, no, it's fine.
Speaker A:Meagle right in that ring.
Speaker A:It's like life as an adult becomes this ring where it's like everything is like.
Speaker A:You know, it's like calling to you all the time, and you're like, what do you mean, Steve?
Speaker A:I'm not addicted.
Speaker A:It's like, do you pick up your phone all the time?
Speaker A:You may be addicted.
Speaker A:Is food the crap when your kids, like, maybe.
Speaker A:And addicted in the sense of, like, it's kind of what you crave.
Speaker B:The enemy is called the prince of lies for a reason.
Speaker B:And his whole purpose is to distract you, to pull you away from Jesus or from.
Speaker B:From the Lord.
Speaker B:He wants to get you as distracted as possible because then you're not going to be productive.
Speaker B:You're not going to be used by God.
Speaker B:And when you really think about it that way, it makes me want to rebel against that and.
Speaker B:And not, you know, be at the whim of every single pleasure that the world presents me with.
Speaker B:You know, it's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:I think I know God wants us to have a full and wonderful life, but I don't want to be at the mercy of every human pleasure that I have.
Speaker B:That's not healthy for me.
Speaker B:We have one body.
Speaker B:You get one body for 80 years, 100 years, however long you live.
Speaker B:And what are you going to do to take care of that body in every way, to be the best human you can be and be the most effective for the Lord that you can be.
Speaker A:Well, here's my.
Speaker A:I hope this thing comes full circle.
Speaker A:I hope by the time this episode airs, you're at a future Comic Con and you have somebody who came to see the Pink Ranger, but now comes to see Cat and says, hey, I heard you on that one guy show, and I've been implementing a digital detox.
Speaker A:And you helped change my life.
Speaker B:Oh, I hope so.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Praise God.
Speaker A:You are more than a Pink Ranger.
Speaker A:You are Cat Sutherland, somebody who is trying to figure life out just like we all are, to show up and be the best mom you can be the best human.
Speaker A:And my hope is that through this episode, we'll put contact information in the show, notes that people can implement 1, 2, 3, 4 of the ideas that we talked about today.
Speaker A:But small steps to point you in the right direction.
Speaker A:So Cat Sutherland, thank you.
Speaker A:One Big Thing podcast and two family and friends.
Speaker A:Just a little call.
Speaker A:I'd love for you to check out Lauren Osnes other guests that have been on the show.
Speaker A:We have had an incredible run here over the last few years of having guests from all walks of life.
Speaker A:And if there are people that you want to hear from, get in touch with me.
Speaker A:I'd love to interview them like Kat, help tell their story, bring things to light to that they're working on.
Speaker A:And we'll also put information in the show notes too for your kids book because I want to make sure.
Speaker B:Oh yes.
Speaker A:So absolutely my guest on the show.
Speaker A:Appreciate it.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:Thank you so much.
Speaker A:Thank you.
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